Tuesday, August 11, 2009


My friend sent this to me and I strongly advise all of you to read this. I cannot understand why anyone, any American, would consider something like this. The main thing is does is give POWER to the government. POWER over every part of your life and POWER over you finances, decision making and if you should live or die because of your age.

Read the link, too. Yes, this is time consuming and it takes an effort for you to read it. Much like why ObamaLama wants so he can rush it through. Don't let the fucker do it to us.

I QUESTION this administration because I don’t think what our president is pushing (with great urgency, as if trying to hide things - whatever happened to this transparent administration we were promised?) is in the best interest for our country and its citizens, and anyone who tells me I don’t have the right to express my concerns for the United States we're leaving our children can cordially kiss my ass. Everything we allow the government control over is one less liberty we have. There are answers and solutions that wouldn’t and SHOULDN'T involve government control.

Just a few reasons I'm against Obama's health care plan. Please feel free to cross reference.


Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt. will audit books of all employers that self insure. Excuse me?

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Who's paying for that? Exactly.

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt. will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Health card will be issued

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt. will have direct access to your banks accounts for elective funds transfer..

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt. mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans - The Govt. will ration your Healthcare.

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt. mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt. will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt. HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members, your Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice. So much for choosing your plan.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt. Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt. will tell DOCTORS what they can make! (salary)

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt. will be taxed 2.5% of income. WHAT?

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt. will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same! So where's the incentive to offer the best care?

Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt. sets value of Doctor's time, profession, judgment etc. Literally the value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt. mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt. regulates rental & purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS. Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt. will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt. deems preventable re-admissions.

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -and the Govt. will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt. tells Doctors what/how much they can own!?!?!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt. is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt. mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt. has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt. plan. How convenient for them.

Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt. will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt. creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Committee. HC by phone?

Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt. mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think of Senior Citizens as end of life patients. Best to get them on their way ASAP. See below.

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt. provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt. mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt. has a say in how your life ends.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used more frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT TO END YOUR LIFE! THE LIFE OF YOUR PARENT! THE LIFE OF YOUR CHILD!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt. will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt. will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life! You better not get a serious illness.

Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services Non profit organizations. That's a great idea - no incentive always works.

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt. will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Page 494-498: Govt. will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

I have to stop before I pop a blood vessel. Yes, the Health Care does need some work, but this is totally ridiculous.
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Christine said...

Booo CP. I've seen this email and wish it would stop circulating. The bill effects my livelihood and I spent a few days reading the entire thing. The issues in your post have incorrect page numbers, interpretations and on occasion the issue written about doesn't correspond in anyway to the page number referenced or any page number at all! I am not thrilled about this bill personally and it needs lots of work but PLEASE don't take this crap as fact. It is a mess. People are sending it to their representatives and look like a bunch of idiots. Perhaps it started out as an accurate interpretation but it has been plucked upon so much that it is a mess.

Christine said...

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf Here is the actual bill if anyone is interested.

Coffeypot said...

Christine, I actually think some of what you said is true. Admittedly I did not research this before I posted it. But the essence of it is true. Any government controlled Health Care package, or any program, will be ruinous to this country. They have fucked up everything they have EVER touched. It should be controlled by private industry with only a few reigns on the insurance industry.

ObamaCare has already stated it will cut $500 million from MediCare, and they are gearing up to form death squads to refuse medical, and surgical care for the elderly. And, by the way, those fuckers in Washington will not be effected by the HC bill.

And I will use every opportunity to expose and ridicule this asshole until the American people come to their senses and vote him out of office.

And if you really want to know what he is doing, go read your history of Germany when that little fucker took over the banks, insurance and every other function. He was socialist, too.

And thanks for the link. I will go read it.

razorbeck said...

This is nuts Government managed healthcare while not a panacea is perfectly efficient and the only reason so many people are against it is because they ssee their mega-profits disapearing.

I am Canadian and despite the shit you are hearing our system works very damn well

My sister 2weeks ago was having stomache troubles and went to see her doctor, she was in the hospital in minutes had a battery of tests and retests, diagnosed with Cancer and had a conference with an oncologist all with in 1 week of going to see her doctor.

and what did it cost her??? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, beat that with your private healthcare that is suposedly the envy of the world!!!!

Doctor's hate the system because they actually don't make as much money unless they actually have a strong patient load

From Chris's stand point it isn't so great because instead of floors or whole buildings dedicated to billing clerks a 400 bed hospital would have 3 clerks

From a corporate stand point it is a dream (unless you are health insurance company) you don't have legacy costs hanging over your head from retired employees. That what really killed GM and Dodge and many other companies

Coffeypot said...

Rasorbeck, I am both happy and sad for your sister. Sad that she is ailing, and happy that she received quick attention. There are always exception to the rules. I have blogger friends who live in Canada and England and they tell different tales. Yes, doctors are getting rich. Okay! They save lives, have many years of schooling and training and deserve the rewards of their labor. And there are many clerks at hospitals and that is mostly because of government reports and quotas and stuff. The insurance companies also need their bit of attention, too. But the system works and is the BEST HC in the world.

Again, I hope your sister has an easy time of it.

Christine said...

This issue is going to be debated for years to come. The current proposal doesn't even effect much of the country. It is for folks making less than 45K a year. It has payment caps so that it can't be abused and will be paid for with increased taxes for people making over 350K a year.

Just a little known fact CP from an insider. Of all the health insurance companies I deal with on a daily basis, Medicare is far the most efficiently. Did you read your post where it says they will have access to your bank accounts? Well, that is true to a point..just like Medicare does already. They direct deposit funds in the provider's or hospital accounts within 20 days of the receipt of a claim. If this thing runs NEAR the same as Medicare, I am all for it. My issues go a little deeper than that and I am not going to highjack your blog to rag on this thing. People all over the country are doing that just fine.

Christine said...

Because I can't keep my mouth shut, I will respond to your response to razor. There are very few doctor's that are getting rich. Medicare sets a fee schedule and insurance companies negotiate rates based on that amount. The days of charging what you feel is fair are long gone. You are right about the great healthcare in the US but one of my very huge concerns is that R & D are profit motivated. The government isn't going to have the same incentives to create the next great drug or respiratory machine if there is no profit to be made. It is fine for Razor to say how wonderful his system is but he may want to look at where the pharmaceutical companies that create the drugs are and the stock sales that made it happen.

Coffeypot said...

Chris, you can have all the space you need to make a point. I learn as I go. I still do not like the government intruding into my life. And Obama advice to the lady who's mother was over 100 (105 now) who wanted a pace maker. She is still mobile and productive for her age and the daughter wanted to know if his HC plan would stop her from getting the operation. His reply, maybe she should take a pill for the pain. That is what people like me (I'll be 65 next month so start saving now for my present)and a diabetic, with one heart attack behind me, is worried about. So I am real happy to know that I might get passed over for anything I might need to stay alive just because I might not live x number of years to validate the surgery. Hell, they can take a pacemaker and reuse it if the person dies. Again, and Razorbeck are free to comment at any length here. Just know that I am against Obama and his thugs and the likes of Pelosi and her ilk. I will fight socialism to my dying day. I want a free America with small government and the opportunity of anyone to achieve the American Dream. That aside , I like jokes, too.

I also read today on Twitter that England is refusing hospitalization to smokers and obese people.

OUR FUTURE! RT Healthcare News Smokers & obese banned from UK hospitals http://bit.ly/2Puqu #tcot via @CooperRepublic #obamacare #deathcare

The Scotsman: Cancer patients told life-prolonging treatment is 2 expensive for NHS http://bit.ly/Famw8 #tcot @CooperRepublic #deathcare

razorbeck said...


The people that bitch to you about the health care system in Canada ARE the exception NOT the rule

My mother had much the same expierience 3 years ago, she was diagnosed with a low survival rate cancer and there was no hesitation or "death commitee" they launched immediately into treatment and hers was a rare success story against the kind of cancer she had


one of the other great falacy's is that all the medical research is being done in the states or for profit

In the states they spend a lot more money looking for the next Viagra then they do looking for cures for rare diseases that research is generally done outside of the US because its done out of largesse not for profit

I never said the Canadian system was perfect its just a very good system and not the nightmare that Fox News tries to portrays

Sarah said...

My grandfather actually sent me this but I can't read through the whole thing without getting sick. Was glad to see people ripping Arlen Specter a new one this morning!

Christine said...

Razor..I beg to differ on your R&D opinion. Merck has come up with two new drugs recently. Isentress for HIV and Betrixaban for stroke. These are important drugs that would not have happened this soon (or perhaps at all) without money being a motivator. It isn't all about ED meds which people throw out in this argument all the time.

Christine said...

""His reply, maybe she should take a pill for the pain.""

Although these weren't his exact words, I think the words he DID use could have been better. What he was trying to say was that the pushing for unnecessary surgeries wouldn't happen as often if it wasn't profit motivated. She could still have her surgery if it were medically indicated but not "well, lets give it a try, I could use the few thousand bucks and if she croaks, she is 105 anyway"

Christine said...

I applaud you CP for being interested in learning more about it and not just taking the right wing propaganda as fact. You may want to check this out about your last comment. I think it explains it better than I did.


Coffeypot said...

Chris, I'm not coming over to the dark side, I also don't fall all the over to the right, either. I am more of a Libertarian but they just have kooks leading the party. Mostly I am an American who believes in the American ideals I was raised with. I do not see any of that in the DNC.

Sarah, thanks for coming over. Stop back by sometime, the conversations aren’t usually this serious.

Kanani said...

I've written extensively about this (5 articles) on my blog based on my experiences as a clinic manager for many years. Anyone wanting to read the unaddressed issues that have been fomenting for years can go here and type in "healthcare" in the search box on the upper left side. All will be pulled up.